Giants could be derived from gorilla's, neanderthal's and any other of our brethren that were stronger and uglier and which we now know we were having sex with (according to our genes). Currently scientists have found we (Homo Sapiens) were having sex with other species' ancestors until we were about 10,000 strong. They get taller as the stories get taller and eventually you'll have giants.
Anony Mous
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Awake! November 2011 - correct cover
by processor inthere was an error on the latest awake!
cover.
here is the correct version.. .
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Suggestions for finally talking to my parents about my doubts?
by stillstuckcruz ini'll give my story again:.
i was raised a believing witness.
i had a normal life and very loving parents who would do anything for me and my brother(who is 21).
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Hey, I just got good news - my wife and child are moving back in with me soon. What I have learned: Don't do it too quickly or you will hurt them and offend them. They feel the organization = them. What you need to do is first get a job and be able to support yourself just in case you blow up like I did.
Start slacking off in service and blame your job. Promise you'll do more as things calm down. Once they're used to it, start missing a (1) meeting for not feeling well. Blame stress or whatever. Then miss another meeting a month or so later, blame whatever is happening (there's always something) until they stop asking why you're randomly missing a meeting every one or two months. As soon as you get a cough, stay home for a week or so. ANYTHING, use as an opportunity to stay away. Go to a friend elsewhere or whatever.
Then start slacking some more in service. Go on vacation or whatever you have to do to stay out of their minds. If you can live on your own at any point and you do so, try to move out of the territory if possible and switch halls. Don't go in service in that hall. Tell them you're going with your parents and during the week because you work weekends now. Tell your parents you're going with your hall. Miss more meetings, comment very sparsely, show up once in a while in your parents' hall so you have an alibi. People in your new hall should not view you as very spiritual.
Then you can finally miss more and more meetings until you stop coming. Whenever someone notices say "I'm going through some hard times right now" or "I know, I'll promise I'll be there Sunday (and do so once in a while)"
Make sure your field service reports aren't high in numbers but turn one in for the first few months. Then become irregular, then inactive. Once you're inactive you may get elders over the floor. Tell them whatever they want to hear (tickle their ears, they like that) and go halfway in whatever you promise. Don't say you have doubts, say you have stress or that you have some mental issues and that you're seeing a psychiatrist. Be vague and forgettable, but don't have any serious issues, they get bored eventually.
Exiting will take about 2-5 years according to my calculations depending on the zeal of your elders. Especially when there's a rotation of elders or you switch halls, you can fade quicker. If at all possible, switch halls often but don't immediately announce it. Go to certain halls temporary, to others more frequently, you're young so you can afford to have very unstable housing arrangements or so especially in a city, be quick to move if the elders get pushy and stay if you feel the elders are lax.
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Awake! November 2011 - correct cover
by processor inthere was an error on the latest awake!
cover.
here is the correct version.. .
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Anony Mous
Evolution does not talk about the start of life, only how it got here. You can still believe in God for the abiogenesis event and the Big Bang until science proves otherwise (and they're working hard on it). The rest is proven and can be tested in a lab.
I work in the scientific field specifically cognitive sciences. Do you think it is coincidence that monkeys share our basic mathematical skills (adding, substraction), ability to make and use tools, solve puzzles even use abstract concepts and learn a basic language such as a form of signing to communicate with human? Or that they share 98% of our DNA? Do you think it is coincidence that I have to get shots in order to not make a monkey sick with human virusses like TB and they are carefully screened for diseases easily transferred to us like HIV?
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JW Dub Apologists, Where have they gone?
by jookbeard inis it me or has it gone very quiet from them as of late?
even maze didn't make a comeback, what's the latest from them?.
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I think there is an article on it this month for the Watchtower indoctrination session. Or they (accidentally) told someone - bragged about it even - and got told to the elders.
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I am proud to say I saw a WatchTower and Awake........
by paulnotsaul income out of the bottom of a totter into the hopper of my trash truck.
because that exactly where they all belong.
in the bottom of the landfill.
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I might have put them there. When I was angry a few days ago, I went to the KH, took the whole pile and deposited them into the trash.
I guess they'll be running short this month. I don't know how but MORE appeared. They're like the Smiths during the fighting scene with Neo in the second Matrix.
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Crisis of Conscience - The Movie
by cedars ini know... how cool would that be??!.
having just commented on the post by trailerfitter about the situation with his wife, and how i have personally found the book crisis of conscience by ray franz to be the perfect antidote to the society's perception of itself as being god's earthly organisation, the thought occurred to me: what if there was a movie about ray franz and his life?
obviously the society would be in uproar, and letters would be read out to all congregations all over the world not to go and see it, but just imagine!
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It could become a court drama movie like "A Few Good Men":
*You want answers?*
*I want the truth!*
*You can't handle the truth!*
[pauses]
Son, we live in an organization that has Kingdom Hall doors, and those doors have to be guarded by men with bibles. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Mr. Franz? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for the publisher, and you curse the Circuit Overseer. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That publishers' deaths, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at meetings, you want me at that door, you need me at that door. We use words like Faithful & Discreet Slave, Armaggeddon, 144,000. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of God's organization that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a bible, and go out in service. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to. -
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Suggestions for finally talking to my parents about my doubts?
by stillstuckcruz ini'll give my story again:.
i was raised a believing witness.
i had a normal life and very loving parents who would do anything for me and my brother(who is 21).
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I am losing my family because I came out. It's a relieve of pressure to say the least and I think I will be happier out than in even if my family (and I have a 7 week old baby) shuns me.
My question is, can you live with that? Can you believe a compassionate, loving God would require such things from your family? Can you maybe appeal to your family on their idea what kind of god God is? In the end they're probably going to adhere to a human organization and that human organization will eventually fail. Their business model is failing and people like you and me (young) are leaving in droves.
You could say something like: I do not believe in God, I never did but I do want to believe in him. I think my baptism was based not on love for God but on emotional family ties. However I want to be able to find God on my own terms. Can I do that as a Jehovah's Witness without being disfellowshipped. If not, why not. I want to believe in a loving God but I cannot accept that a loving God would require the shunning of family members if we simply lose faith, simply based on family ties. I do not believe that Jesus ordered his 12 apostles to shun everybody that had just left him when he asked, do you not also want to go. I think he proposed them a choice and Jesus would have accepted their choice as he did the others.
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Quick letter to the ex for clarification...
by DJPoetech ini read don cameron's book and got an idea on how to word a letter to the ex when certain expressions indicate she has no clue why i left the jws.... i would suggest "captives of a concept" to all who just want a simple way to explain to a witness why we don't go... although there are a ton of reasons..... here is snip of the letter.... you mentioned me getting reinstated the other day.
i laughed because it was so funny to me.
it also let me know that you really don't understand why i left the witnesses.
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Very nice. I just thought this morning while walking to work about formulating something similar (I'm still considered a JW, but they're working hard on correcting that):
I don't believe in God right now because of my past issues of abuse but I do want to believe in God and I am working on that very hard. However if that God says that I have to shun anyone because they don't believe or that God says you have to shun me because I believe something different, even if I don't try to convince anyone otherwise, first of all, I don't think a loving God would require that of us and second, I do not want to believe in such a God. Such a God sounds very insecure, almost human to me. It sounds more like the pastors we read about in the Watchtowers that boycott Witness' businesses because they didn't want to lose their income and didn't want to hear the truth.
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If John and Paul were alive today wouldn't they be put on medication and kept in a loony ward?
by highdose inserioulsy read some of their stuff and theres clear symtoms there of either drug taking and or mental insanity.. these days men claiming to have god talking to them, seeing mythical animals, rambling for chapters and chapters at a time in such a way that not even your contempories can figure out.
are given medication for their troubles, conseling and if needed put in a pyshco ward..
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Also, don't forget that a lot of what they wrote back then was in code. There are those that interpret Revelation entirely in the framework of Nero's persecution of Christians and it fits as much if not better than the JW or other interpretations of an end-time apocalypse.
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Well I have a choice to make
by Igot2bme inthe elders came today without any notice and visited with me.
they told me that my mother in law said i didn't want to have anything to do with the witnesses anymore.
i said yes i did say that and then i laid it all out for them why i felt that jehovah god wasn't with them.
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The elders came to visit me too today! We're in the same boat. I felt like I got through to the younger elder (although he's older than me) but the hardcore elder (maybe they were doing good cop, bad cop routine) visibly ignored what I had to say, turned his head away and sighed a couple of times.
The bad cop eventually said, we're not going anywhere we're just reasoning in circles. I said, yes that's true, I'm glad you saw that but it's not my statements, I reasoned to you from the Watchtower publications. My reasoning was that disfellowshipping was not scriptural. They showed me the (out-of-context) scriptures and I put them in context for them and they said that doesn't make a difference.
I also said, what if someone does no longer do these things but for other reasons does not want to be a JW. They said: You have to agree with everything JW's currently believe in order to be reinstated. Even if what we believe is wrong or is going to be adjusted? Yes. How do you know what you're currently believing is morally upright? <blank> because the organization says so.
I eventually got to the topic of who's making the decisions. Are elders imperfect? Yes. Are their decisions sometimes imperfect? Yes. Even in judicial cases? Yes. So if you know for sure someone is a child molester but you do not have 2 eye witnesses, can you morally live with yourself letting them go without reporting them to authorities? Younger Elder gets very uneasy. Older Elder: "Yes". How do you live with yourself? "Those decisions are hard but we have to go by what the organization says". Even if what you're doing at that point is morally wrong? Younger Elder looks weirder. Older Elder: Yes. So how do you know you're doing the right thing then? Jehovah guides his organization and he will correct things later. So you're blaming God? No. You have to think those decisions are made in heaven and passed down through us. So how can the result of judicial cases be wrong? Older Elder: "Look, we're getting in circular reasoning here." Younger Elder: "I agonize a lot about those decisions, I even cry for weeks sometimes". How is that if Jesus says his load would be lig... Older Elder: "Look, we're getting nowhere how about we talk to you at another time..."
I went over the examples where Paul and Barnabas had different opinions. Can you as a Witness have other opinions and hold to them? No, we're unified. Even the controversial things. What controversial things? Disfellowshipping and blood. There are no controversial things with Jehovah's Witnesses, everybody is on the same page about that. But I'm not. Well, you shouldn't consider yourself a Jehovah's Witness then. Will I be disfellowshipped if I disagree? Yes. So how can anyone have a different opinion if they get disfellowshipped for it? Real Jehovah's Witnesses don't have a different opinion! Because you disfellowship people that do right? Yes.